8th scale motors in SC 4x4's - Is this fair?

Sugar for big races is okay....but it is too expensive to use weekly for the track and the racers. You go through waaaaay too many tires and break parts a lot, but the consistency is great if you like running onroad with jumps.

Running on a dry track with no sugar or other binding substance only tears the track up. The best solution is to somehow get the perfect amount of moisture throughout the entire race to try and please the majority of the racers and keep the track from coming apart.

Clay holds more moisture but is harder to work with, takes longer to dry up after a rain or heavy wattering and can be very slick when too wet.

I like the Tucson surface but I can't believe they don't add anything to it but water.

I say if we have the option to get the rules changed at Hal's lets do it. I want to do what's best for everyone, and I want to continue to race with everyone as well. Come to think of it, Hal's put together a SCT 4x4 that's insane with a Rx8 tied to a 1900 8th scale motor on a 4S Lipo. They call it Hal's Pals, lol, and I think Hactor was driving it in the main and ended up second. It's a fast truck, but I think the general consensus is to limit the 4x4 class to 2s lipos and a 550 can. Some esc will allow for 8th scale motors on 2S lipos like the RX8. But I'm not sure if there'd still be an large advantage or not with this type of system.


Here are my suggestions for the 4x4 class:

1) Any Manufacturer's Chassis is welcome
2) Suspension upgrades welcome
3) 2S lipo 550 can only, no 8th scale motors
4) Open ESC's
5) No 8th scale wheel conversions

What do you guys think??

I meant Hector...lololo Hactor...wtf?? hahahahah

lol Aye Gino it's good to have you on here bro Hal's Pals? Isn't that a Saturday morning cartoon? Oh no thats Hal's and Friend

The 2s rule is good. I'm not sure how Charlie is going to take it when you tell him his high dollar tekin motor has to go. Gino when we were running head to head you were on 2s with an 1/8 scale set-up right? I was on 2s with a 540 can

I totally agree with you Geno. We talked about this at the track on Saturday. Only thing I say, is instead making sportsman and pro is do 1/10 and 1/8 scale 4x4 SC. 2s with a 540 or 550 can motor for 1/10 sc 4x4 and 4s with whatever motor you want is what the do back in tucson at a few places.

ginoford wrote:

I say if we have the option to get the rules changed at Hal's lets do it. I want to do what's best for everyone, and I want to continue to race with everyone as well. Come to think of it, Hal's put together a SCT 4x4 that's insane with a Rx8 tied to a 1900 8th scale motor on a 4S Lipo. They call it Hal's Pals, lol, and I think Hactor was driving it in the main and ended up second. It's a fast truck, but I think the general consensus is to limit the 4x4 class to 2s lipos and a 550 can. Some esc will allow for 8th scale motors on 2S lipos like the RX8. But I'm not sure if there'd still be an large advantage or not with this type of system.


Here are my suggestions for the 4x4 class:

1) Any Manufacturer's Chassis is welcome
2) Suspension upgrades welcome
3) 2S lipo 550 can only, no 8th scale motors
4) Open ESC's
5) No 8th scale wheel conversions

What do you guys think??

PERFECT!!! Lets DO THIS!!

ExcelMarketTX wrote:

lol Aye Gino it's good to have you on here bro Hal's Pals? Isn't that a Saturday morning cartoon? Oh no thats Hal's and Friend

The 2s rule is good. I'm not sure how Charlie is going to take it when you tell him his high dollar tekin motor has to go. Gino when we were running head to head you were on 2s with an 1/8 scale set-up right? I was on 2s with a 540 can

Charlie wont mind... but, Efren will ....!!!! does he know yet ????

what about the 540 4-poles?

bigwavedave33 wrote:

what about the 540 4-poles?

Gosh i think those Pro 4 motors have more punch than an 1/8 scale! Tod punched it on the back double and must have overshot the landing by at least ten feet

Hector I think Efren went back to a 550 set up. I may be wrong. Besides Gino and Hal's pals, everyone is running 550 and 540 cans. Rules effective next race sounds good to me

bigwavedave33 wrote:

what about the 540 4-poles?

What about them... ??? They are totally roar legal....!!!!

ExcelMarketTX wrote:

bigwavedave33 wrote:

what about the 540 4-poles?

Gosh i think those Pro 4 motors have more punch than an 1/8 scale! Tod punched it on the back double and must have overshot the landing by at least ten feet

Hector I think Efren went back to a 550 set up. I may be wrong. Besides Gino and Hal's pals, everyone is running 550 and 540 cans. Rules effective next race sounds good to me

No Way !!! a pro4 will never Beat a 1/8 set up... Todds truck was fast,and nimble only because it didnt weight a Ton !!!! lol...

Maybe you're right. I've just never seen SC 4x4 wind up so fast!
So we'll bring the subject up next race and see what everyone thinks

Well, I do have the option of running my RX8 with my Ballistic 550. I will just put the electronics and motor I currently have in my 4x4, and put it back in my 8th scale buggy. The 1700KV did better than what I have now. I have to agree with TQ59. We need to manage this correctly by allowing people some time to make their changes. We can give everyone a two race notice starting Sat. Feb. 18th at Hal's. What this means is that by March 17th, you will be thrown into the Hienz 57 class is you do not have the proper electronics installed that we have voted on. How does that sound.

Adrian, the weekend we had that really close race I was running all 8th scale buggy electronics (Xcelorin 1700KV motor and ESC). The problem with my set up was the three cell battery I was running. My 4x4 felt super slow with zero top end. Maybe some of my problem was the extra weight and the 3S battery. I can tell you this though, the Xcelorin stuff didn't like having a 3S battery hooked to it. It was a really good battery too; a Racers Edge Pro Race with a 60C rating 5200mAh. You were very quick that day, and you say you were running a 540? That speaks tons on the efficiency of that Associated you're running! I was trying everything to get some top end out of my 4x4 that weekend, I think I ended up with a pinion size of 19T. And I still had no throttle response control in the air. It was very hard to drive like that. Anyhow, I can tell you that my 4x4 was much quicker with a 2S and the Ballistic. So, I really don't mind going back to that set up. I think I'm going to get away from Novak ESC's though.

I say give them 2 races.

I talked with Efren last night and he is 100% supportive of our decision concerning the 4x4 SCT class. HE will be converting his 4x4 back to 2S lipo, and I also will be doing this by the cut off date which has been tentatively set as March 17th 2012. What this means is that by this date (March 17) everyone who races in the 4x4 class must be running a 2S lipo with no more than a 550 size motor. This will apply to all tracks. (If you're a track owner or manager keep reading) No 8th scale motors or 4S batteries. We can discuss whether we'd allow 8th scale motors on 2S lipo's later, but for now I am returning back to 2S lipo's in an effort to support the longevity and growth of our sport. Pass this around to every person who may not have access to this website. I'd also like to make clear the fact that this is solely the racing community's decision. At no point are we representing any hobby store's or track's rules. These decisions were brought about by the people and for the people, and will therefore be enforced initially by the people. And even though not everyone will agree with this I feel that the majority has spoken. Lets all just get back to 2S lipo's and SC legal motors. This decision was made in an effort to keep cost down, a level playing field, and to keep this class growing and strong! So basically, until the track managers back this up, we will be stuck enforcing this own. Just know that if you do show up with a 4S lipo and 8th scale motor after March 17th, at any of our local tracks....then you'll race too, but nobody will care about your stupid win. hahahahaahah

These rules are great for everyone to be at the same level.
How many have already agreed on it?
I agree up to 3s 550.

I'm all for it. It happens in every class. People blow things way out of proportion and go all out with crazy electronics. That's why they did the 10.5 rule with the on-road racing and I think that's great. I say up to 2s only because That's all us SC10 4x4 owners can fit in our trucks. The 550 limit is good because the new Losi and AE rtrs come stock with 550 cans.

Done!! I won't have my new electronics in my 4x4 for the DD race tomorrow, but I should have it by the next Hal's race.

I been reading on this topic and thinks that its a great idea to keep it stock. I myself was going around town and wanting to get myself an 1/8 scale motor and electronics for my Losi. Im glad that you guys came to this agreement. Shows you guys have great character and motives for this hobby. I really appreciate you guys communicating with others regarding this topic. I am just getting into this and was kinda intimidated by all of this talk about ESC's, Kv's, motors, and stuff! Glad to know that I can get advice or some help on this stuff. Really looking forward to meeting you guys on the track!

Welcome to the forum Gino and Efren have their losi SCTEs on rails and would be great resources for you in regards to setting up your truck to race. Everyone on here is cool and always willing to help out

What's up Jeseh!!?? Good to see you an here. Adrian don't sell yourself up short either. You show up three weeks ago and almost take everyone to school. Anyhow, I think I have more fun when everyone is on the same level and page as the nest person, so we all threw in our two pennies. See you all tomorrow at DD.

Just soldered up my 5.5 I'm coming for yah Gino lol

haha 5.5 thats slow!